Plenty of single player only games review well. Don't be so deluded. This all smacks of butthurt because everyone is convinced of their awesome taste and won't have it that their new favourite thing is derided by those more qualified to gauge its technical failings and successes.

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I was one of the unfortunate few who never got to play the original Thief and Thief 2, because in the third world country where I reside, PCs weren't common during that thing. I did play the third installment (Deadly Shadows) when it was released, but somehow I never considered playing the first two. Now, with a new Thief game being announced for next year, I'm feeling tempted to go back and play the first two Thief games. I also realized that they're pretty cheap on GOG. I'm not at all a graphics w.e like most people, and I place 100 times more emphasis on solid and enjoyable gameplay, than flashy graphics.

Even in that case, I've heard people say that although the Thief games were legendary back in the day, playing them now won't be an enjoyable experience because the gameplay mechanics which were innovative back then have been implemented and improved upon by loads of games down the years, so it might seem outdated. Usually these kind of statements don't bother me much, and I'm almost certain to go ahead and buy them. Still, i wanted to get a final opinion from people here on Gamespot.

So are the first two Thief games as enjoyable and satisfying today as they were earlier, for someone who has never played them? Honestly, I don't think Thief's gameplay mechanics have been improved on by any more recent games, so I wouldn't call them too dated. Many games attempt to copy Thief, and some made the mechanics a bit more smooth or accessible, but most stealth games simply take Thief's mechanics and dumb them down. I will say that Thief 1 and 2 are slower and clunkier than the games we're used to nowadays.but screw it, Thief 2 is still the king of stealth. It's worth a shot, for sure. Thief 1.eh, it's certainly a great game, but the fantasy elements overrode the stealth elements at times.

Honestly, I don't think Thief's gameplay mechanics have been improved on by any more recent games, so I wouldn't call them too dated. Many games attempt to copy Thief, and some made the mechanics a bit more smooth or accessible, but most stealth games simply take Thief's mechanics and dumb them down.

I will say that Thief 1 and 2 are slower and clunkier than the games we're used to nowadays.but screw it, Thief 2 is still the king of stealth. It's worth a shot, for sure. Thief 1.eh, it's certainly a great game, but the fantasy elements overrode the stealth elements at times. PlaneforgerThanks for your response. I'll be buying both Thief and Theif 2 from GOG within the next couple of days. Since you say you are not concerned about outdated graphics, you owe it to yourself to play Thief The Dark Project and The Metal Age. The stealth gameplay, sound, and dialogue are still better than most newer games.

It also does not assume gamers are stupid children with attention deficit disorder who just want to kill, kill, kill like today's developers think.Be advised that getting these games to run on a newer pc can be quite challenging. Be prepared do some extra work to get working.

Just Google for help when you get to that point.Deadly Shadows I was as not thrilled with as much, since it deviated a bit from the originals (although not nearly as much as the new Thief appears to be doing.) So only after playing TDP and TMA you might give it a whirl. It doesn't suck. Biggest Loser will be by any minute now to tell you it's the best game ever. Since you say you are not concerned about outdated graphics, you owe it to yourself to play Thief The Dark Project and The Metal Age. The stealth gameplay, sound, and dialogue are still better than most newer games.

It also does not assume gamers are stupid children with attention deficit disorder who just want to kill, kill, kill like today's developers think.Be advised that getting these games to run on a newer pc can be quite challenging. Be prepared do some extra work to get working. Just Google for help when you get to that point.Deadly Shadows I was as not thrilled with as much, since it deviated a bit from the originals (although not nearly as much as the new Thief appears to be doing.) So only after playing TDP and TMA you might give it a whirl. It doesn't suck.

Biggest Loser will be by any minute now to tell you it's the best game ever.QixoteThanks for yoru response, but i guess you didn't read my post completely. Firstly, I said that i have already played Deadly Shadows when it was released. It wasn't all that great, so I don't really plan on playing it again. Secondly, I don't really have to worry about compatibility because I'll be buying from GOG, and I've found out that even games from the early 90s work flawlessly on modern systems if they're from GOG.

Secondly, I don't really have to worry about compatibility because I'll be buying from GOG, and I've found out that even games from the early 90s work flawlessly on modern systems if they're from GOG.funkyzoom Just because you buy games from a particular store, including GOG, does not safeguard you from compatibility issues. There is no special 'GOG version' of Thief with all the fan-made patches and tweaks. Unless you have a pc that is still running Windows 98, then YOU WILL be looking for help to get your game running (including trying to get the cutcenes to work). That's just a fact everyone faces when trying to run a Dark Engine game nowadays.

Just trying to help. Might as well seek out the TTLG forums now and get acquantited with the commnuntiy of fans. QUOTE='funkyzoom'Secondly, I don't really have to worry about compatibility because I'll be buying from GOG, and I've found out that even games from the early 90s work flawlessly on modern systems if they're from GOG.Qixote Just because you buy games from a particular store, including GOG, does not safeguard you from compatibility issues. There is no special 'GOG version' of Thief with all the fan-made patches and tweaks.

Unless you have a pc that is still running Windows 98, then YOU WILL be looking for help to get your game running (including trying to get the cutcenes to work). That's just a fact everyone faces when trying to run a Dark Engine game nowadays. Just trying to help. Might as well seek out the TTLG forums now and get acquantited with the commnuntiy of fans.I've never had trouble with any GOG game. QUOTE='funkyzoom'Secondly, I don't really have to worry about compatibility because I'll be buying from GOG, and I've found out that even games from the early 90s work flawlessly on modern systems if they're from GOG.Qixote Just because you buy games from a particular store, including GOG, does not safeguard you from compatibility issues. There is no special 'GOG version' of Thief with all the fan-made patches and tweaks. Unless you have a pc that is still running Windows 98, then YOU WILL be looking for help to get your game running (including trying to get the cutcenes to work).

That's just a fact everyone faces when trying to run a Dark Engine game nowadays. Just trying to help. Might as well seek out the TTLG forums now and get acquantited with the commnuntiy of fans.I think you're mistaken. Even very old games on GOG are patches or modified in such a way that they run flawlessly on newer systems. I've bought REALLY old games from GOD (some as old as late 80s, like Police Quest), and faced no problems. In fact, I did but Thirf and Thief 2 from GOG acouple of hours ago and tried them out. Both work perfecty on my system with Windows 8 64 bit.

QUOTE='Planeforger'Honestly, I don't think Thief's gameplay mechanics have been improved on by any more recent games, so I wouldn't call them too dated. Many games attempt to copy Thief, and some made the mechanics a bit more smooth or accessible, but most stealth games simply take Thief's mechanics and dumb them down. I will say that Thief 1 and 2 are slower and clunkier than the games we're used to nowadays.but screw it, Thief 2 is still the king of stealth. It's worth a shot, for sure. Thief 1.eh, it's certainly a great game, but the fantasy elements overrode the stealth elements at times. FunkyzoomThanks for your response. I'll be buying both Thief and Theif 2 from GOG within the next couple of days.I actually enjoyed Theif 1 more than Thief 2.

They are both worth playing. The base mechanics hold up extremely well.

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Some things in the game have aged more than others (like no hints, no objective markers, static maps that make you pay attention to your environment) and thats also part of what makes this such an immersive game.I also disagree with the fantasy elements overriding the stealth elements. I played the game just as stealthy and Theif 2. All the fantasy creatures still work under the same AI conditions, where if your in the dark, they cant see you, or if you make a noise, they will go check it out. It was almost cool sneaking across zombies and other creatures and seeing how they reacted. It added to the tension.

Most people played the more fantasy style levels in a traditional swordfighting game, and in that I can see why they did not enjoy it. But it was their choice to play the level in such a way.

I actually enjoyed Theif 1 more than Thief 2. They are both worth playing.

The base mechanics hold up extremely well. Some things in the game have aged more than others (like no hints, no objective markers, static maps that make you pay attention to your environment) and thats also part of what makes this such an immersive game.I also disagree with the fantasy elements overriding the stealth elements. I played the game just as stealthy and Theif 2. All the fantasy creatures still work under the same AI conditions, where if your in the dark, they cant see you, or if you make a noise, they will go check it out. It was almost cool sneaking across zombies and other creatures and seeing how they reacted. It added to the tension. Most people played the more fantasy style levels in a traditional swordfighting game, and in that I can see why they did not enjoy it.

But it was their choice to play the level in such a way.way2funnyOh don't get me wrong, Thief 1 is still a great game, but I think Thief 2 nailed the concept just a little bit more than the first one.What I meant by the 'fantasy elements overriding the stealth elements' part was that the first game had quite a few missions where you were exploring caves and ruined temples, seeking out magical artefacts and avoiding monsters. You could definitely still be stealthy in them, but.I guess those missions wouldn't be too out of place in many other dark fantasy/adventure games.Meanwhile, Thief 2's missions seemed to be more focussed on the thievery side of things. You've got blackmail, bank heists, frame-jobs, escaping police dragnets, sabotage, kidnapping, rooftop antics, and all the rest of it. The theme, mission design and gameplay all seemed to fit together even better than they did in the first game, and that made it a more enjoyable game for me. Thief 2's missions seemed to be more focussed on the thievery side of things. You've got blackmail, bank heists, frame-jobs, escaping police dragnets, sabotage, kidnapping, rooftop antics, and all the rest of it.

The theme, mission design and gameplay all seemed to fit together even better than they did in the first game, and that made it a more enjoyable game for me.Planeforger I've heard this same argument countless times for 13 years. Thief 2 is focused more on thievery? The only real 'thievery' thing is stealing, and Thief 1 had as much thieving as 2. I suggest you consult Webster for the definition of thief. You seem hung up on the zombies, monsterrs, etc.

But Thief 2 had alot of robots, 'children of Karras' and ghosts, so tell me how that makes Thief 2 more 'thievery'? QUOTE='funkyzoom'I did buy Thief and Thief 2 from GOG acouple of hours ago and tried them out. Both work perfecty on my system with Windows 8 64 bit.Qixote I'm glad you decided to play them. So are the cutscenes and mission briefings working? I have read reports that even the GOG version has problems playing the game's movie files, and just skips past them (and playing Thief without the briefings and cutscenes would not be the same).Initially they didn't play, but I just ran them in the compatibility mode for Windows 98/ME, and now they're working like a charm!

But even if not, it wouldn't have mattered much because I dual boot Windows 8 and Windows XP. I use Windows XP exclusively for old games which refuse to run properly on Windows 8. For pretty much everything else, I use Windows 8 (with Start8, of course. Couldn't stand that horrible Metro UI). QUOTE='way2funny'I actually enjoyed Theif 1 more than Thief 2. They are both worth playing.

The base mechanics hold up extremely well. Some things in the game have aged more than others (like no hints, no objective markers, static maps that make you pay attention to your environment) and thats also part of what makes this such an immersive game.I also disagree with the fantasy elements overriding the stealth elements. I played the game just as stealthy and Theif 2. All the fantasy creatures still work under the same AI conditions, where if your in the dark, they cant see you, or if you make a noise, they will go check it out. It was almost cool sneaking across zombies and other creatures and seeing how they reacted. It added to the tension. Most people played the more fantasy style levels in a traditional swordfighting game, and in that I can see why they did not enjoy it.

But it was their choice to play the level in such a way.PlaneforgerOh don't get me wrong, Thief 1 is still a great game, but I think Thief 2 nailed the concept just a little bit more than the first one.What I meant by the 'fantasy elements overriding the stealth elements' part was that the first game had quite a few missions where you were exploring caves and ruined temples, seeking out magical artefacts and avoiding monsters. You could definitely still be stealthy in them, but.I guess those missions wouldn't be too out of place in many other dark fantasy/adventure games.Meanwhile, Thief 2's missions seemed to be more focussed on the thievery side of things.

You've got blackmail, bank heists, frame-jobs, escaping police dragnets, sabotage, kidnapping, rooftop antics, and all the rest of it. The theme, mission design and gameplay all seemed to fit together even better than they did in the first game, and that made it a more enjoyable game for me.I agree that thief 2 nailed the concept a bit better, but I think the fantasy and supernatural element and sneaking through zombies and creatures added a certain level of tension that the second game did not have.